Buying Real Estate without Cash or Credit by Peter Conti & David Finkel

  • There is no safety in playing life safe - really playing it safe is the most risky investment strategy of all.

    • The first months before you make your first deal are the hardest.

      • The first thing you have to do is convince yourself, you are an investor.

      • Too many wannabe investors spend their lives avoiding taking action that will make them money in real estate, because they are afraid of failure.

  • Winning Deal Formula

    • 10% Property and Location

    • 30% Financing (Price and Terms)

      • You make your profit when you buy (not when you sell) - then harvest the profit when you sell.

    • 60% Seller Motivation (why is the seller selling the property?)

      • Foundation of all great Real Estate deals.

    • KEY #1:  Find a seller who has strong motivation to sell.

      • The single greatest time waster in real estate is trying to make a deal with a non-motivated seller.

      • Having a motivated seller creates the motivation and situation for a win-win deal.

        • Motivation - Compelling reason to sell and a time crunch.

        • Situation - Seller has a lot of equity or doesn’t need to cash out immediately.

          • Enough equity allows them to provide a discount.

          • If they don’t need all cash, they can participate in financing with a terms deal.

          • Ex:  Is a deal for a new house contingent on selling the old house?  Do they need the cash for their next down payment or house?

  • Financing:

    • To make money on a deal, you need to either purchase the property at a steep cash discount or get great financing terms.

      • The right price / terms and financing guarantees you a profit.

  • Dialing:

    • Recommends dialing direct to the home owner (FSBO) to find deals with motivated sellers - find out the seller’s motivation.

    • On an average of 20 dials:

      • 10 go to the owner.

      • 2-3 pass the Quickcheck - see book for questions / scripts (P. 29)

      • 1-2 are motivated sellers (5-10%)

    • Let the seller know you are a buyer - but don’t sound too smooth on the phone, you don’t want the seller to think you are taking advantage of them.

  • Five fastest ways to find Real Estate Deals:

    • 1.  Dials

      • 100 calls each week for 90 days (use scripts - P. 42)... 20 calls at a time.

    • 2.  “I buy houses” signs with phone number and email.  

      • Put in areas of interest.

    • 3.  “I buy houses” ad in classifides (paper, zillow, websites, craigslist)

    • 4.  Post Card Campaign (mailers)

      • To people who own properties - or use a probate list.

      • Use google voice

    • 5.  Ask friends for referrals.

  • How to get over the “I”m not an investor” self negging:

    • Buy business cards

    • Put signs on your car

  • 3 Steps to Any Real Estate Deal:

    • 1.  Find a Motivated Seller - 

      • You bring value to the deal by helping the seller solve a pressing real estate problem.

    • 2.  Meet with the Seller to Structure the Deal - 

      • Must meet the seller’s most important needs and have a conservative profit for you (the buyer)

    • 3.  Execute your Exit Strategy for the Property - 

      • Sell to a new buyer or begin renting the property out. (buy and hold)

  • Cash Deal - No more than 70% of its “as is” value.  (NOTE: Many say ARV - After Repair Value).

    • “As is” value - ARV - the cost to get the house in 8/10 (B) condition.

    • Is the seller receiving all of their money at closing?  - if yes, then it’s a “Cash Deal.”

  • Terms Deal - Property must pay for itself and have profit built in from day 1 (don’t depend on appreciation… appreciation should be icing on the cake, not built into profit formula).

  • Buying With Cash:

    • Money can be yours or borrowed from a third party (family / friend / bank).

    • Cash deals are more risky than terms deals - because you get a lot of money tied up into the property.

    • Smart investors never speculate, they buy intelligently, so they make money no matter what happens.

    • Ideally, a deal for cash should be 60% or less the value of the house “as is.”

      • Must factor in holding costs for the property and closing costs to buy and sell the property (if flipping).

        • Figure 3-6 months holding costs

      • Estimate Trick:  Closing costs + holding costs + selling/holding costs = ARV x 10%.

    • Don’t buy an investment property straight up with your own cash unless you are getting the house under 50% of its “as is” value.

  • How to get Investing Money?

    • Money is NOT an issue.

      • Other sources of funding exist.

      • If the deal is good - money will find you.

      • Begin negotiations at 50-60% “as is” value.

        • This will kill many deals quickly - this is good, eliminates time wasting.  NO money in these deals anyway.

  • Terms Deals:

    • In most terms deals, you will be hanging onto the property for some time.

      • Rent the property out for higher rate than monthly terms payments.

    • Terms deals are more generous on price to the seller.

      • Should have little to no money down, since the seller is motivated.

    • TERMS DEAL RULE #1:

      • The property must be able to pay for itself.  (cash on cash return).

      • Minimum profit should be 10% CoC.

        • Higher if the property is in a good area that is strongly appreciating, a closer to breakeven deal might be OK.

    • TERMS DEAL RULE #2:

      • Don’t take on domino debt.

        • Non-recourse debt is one of two criteria of good debt because it isolates and partitions off your risk.

        • Buy on terms where each property is isolated and a distinct deal (be careful of portfolio buys where one property is a bad deal or has clouds).

    • Seller Financing is ideal - so you don’t need to personally guarantee the loan through conventional bank financing.

  • THREE MOST IMPORTANT TERM DEAL ACQUISITION STRATEGIES:

    • ***Learn to buy without using your own money or using a conventional loan, it makes you a much more savvy investor.

    • STRATEGY #1:  LEASE OPTION:

      • Long term lease plus agreed upon option price.

        • Control possession of the property, including the option to sublease (fixed rate rent).

        • Option Portion:  Locks in fixed price at which you can buy property exclusively at a specific period of the lease term.

    • STRATEGY #2:  BUYING SUBJECT TO EXISTING FINANCING:

      • Seller deeds you the house and you make payment every month on the existing loan in the seller’s name.

      • You get all benefits of the loan, but no risk or downpayment.

      • If the owner is in financial trouble, behind on mortgage, or owns little equity - this can be a great option.

    • STRATEGY #3:  OWNER-CARRY FINANCING:

      • Seller accepts a promissory note for some or all of the money owed to them.

      • A good option if the property is owned free and clear, or if the owner has a large amount of equity.. Or if the owner is an older investor with multiple properties and might like a monthly check.

      • Structure the deal with the purchase price, downpayment and deal with very low interest rate where the balance is financed by the owner.

      • This is a good strategy if you want to hold the property (or live there) for some time.

      • Benefits:

        • No seller fees

        • Below market interest rates

        • No recourse on the loan

      • The best place to fund a deal is within the existing financing.

  • For flips:

    • Tell the seller you will pay all closing costs, if he waits 6 months to receive the down payment.

    • This way you can fix the house within the 6 months and wholesale the deal to someone new.  ASSIGN THE DEAL

  • SIX BEST SOURCES TO FUND DEALS

    • Ranked from First to Worst:

      • 1.  The Seller - Lease Option Deals, using the seller’s existing financing (give seller mortgage payment).

      • 2.  The Buyer - Use who you are flipping the house to - to fund the payments on a quick flip… ASSIGN THE DEAL.

        • Simultaneous closing - slow close from the seller, aggressively market the new property for a higher price - use the buyer’s money to pay the seller.

        • Receive cash for the rights you negotiated for the property.

      • 3.  Private Money - Find someone looking for an investment and offer them a rate of return on their investment or a percentage of the profit for funding the deal… friends, family, investors.

        • Or take out a loan with them and give them a decent APR on the investment.

      • 4.  Your Own Cash or Credit - Use your own liquid assets, 401 K, credit.

        • Only do this if the value of the deal warrants the risk.

        • Best way to use your own money is to find a foreclosure or pre-foreclosure, then cashout the seller and make their back payments. 

      • 5.  Hard Money Lender

      • 6.  Equity Money Parter - Someone loans you money for a percent return on the deal.

  • FIVE MOST IMPORTANT EXIT STRATEGIES

    • 1.  Retail the Property - Sell for the highest price you can.

      • If you use a real estate agent, find a good one - interview at least 3.

      • FSBO - Sell without listing on MLS.

        • DOWNSIDES:

          • 1.  Competition in the area lowers the selling point.

          • 2.  Must pay agent commissions.

          • 3.  Takes a lot of time to sell in a buyers market.

          • 4.  Bank as a lender doesn’t net you as high a profit as if you are the lender (exit strategy #5).

    • 2.  Flip the Deal - Sell your contract to another buyer or investor for “fast cash.”

      • Only do this when you first start out and never flip your best properties.

    • 3.  Buy and Hold

      • A lot of long-term benefits, hire someone to do the regular maintenance (handyman - on call) and don’t hire a property manager (waste of money).

      • Renter turnover expense is a large problem - always look for long-term leases or make a lease-to-own contract.

    • 4.  Offer on a “Rent-to-Own” basis

      • 2-3 year lease with an option agreement at a locked in price to purchase the property at any time during the lease.

      • For the fixed option, the tenant buyer will provide an option payment 3% to 5% (non-refundable) of total value of the option price.

      • Also, higher than market rent.

      • Tenant buyers must take care of the HOA, day-to-day maint. And keep the property in better shape than normal renters - bc they might buy it.

      • Only 2-5% of properties sell under these terms.

      • Saves the 5-6% agent commission.

      • Faster sale, less options for buyers looking for this type of home arrangement.

      • You can have the buyer split the mortgage, so they will have an easier time acquiring financing.  (ie: one mortgage with you, the seller and a second with the bank.)

    • 5.  Sell with Owner Financing

      • You get two down payments (second mortgage) for financing the property for the new owner.

        • You pay the bank on old financing terms and set up new financing terms with the new owner who can’t get the loan from the bank at a higher interest rate. 

  • REAL ESTATE MARKETS:

    • Differ by local markets and trends.

    • THREE TYPES OF MARKETS:

      • 1.  Hot Market - Prices keep going up.  (Seller’s Market)

        • Demand for homes rises above the supply of available homes.

        • Best time to acquire investment properties.

          • Buy subject to the seller’s existing loan.

          • Buy on a long-term lease option.

      • 2.  Medium Market - When the supply and demand of the market have reached a relative equilibrium.

      • 3.  Mild Market - (Buyer’s Market)

        • Supply of homes for sale is much higher than the demand for homes.

        • Biggest investing mistake is buying too many properties at the same time in a buyer’s market.

  • FIVE STEP NEGOTIATION SYSTEM:

    • 1.  Build Rapport with the Seller:

      • Key:  Listen to the seller’s needs and do your best to achieve them by winning for yourself too.

      • Act as a consultant here to solve their problems.

      • Don’t be overly aggressive.

      • Bridge Q:  “Thank you for inviting me over, can you show me around?”

        • Build a relationship with the seller, see how you can help them.

        • Only share positives about the owner and the house out loud.

    • 2.  Get the Seller to make an Upfront Agreement:

      • Where you get a yes or no answer and aren’t left hanging.

      • Bridge Q:  “Where’s a good place for us to sit and talk this thing through?

    • 3.  Discover Motivation:

      • Help the seller emotionally connect with his reasons for needing to sell and his limited time to do it.

      • Key Q:  “So what were you hoping I could do for you here today?”

        • Help the seller connect why he needs to sell.

        • Eliminate the seller’s other options.

        • Find out the seller’s timeline.

      • Always be a reluctant buyer.

        • Force the seller to sell you and convince them they don’t want to lose you as a buyer.

        • “I don’t know if I can do this…”

        • Remain skeptical.

      • Seller’s are more motivated by loss than they are by the desire to make a profit when selling a house (the house is often most people’s greatest “asset.”)

        • Negative phrasing works well to convince the seller they are not doing very well.

        • Ask them how the selling is going, but do it in a way that makes you sound naive or optimistic instead of sarcastic, “has that been working well?”

          • Put the seller at ease by playing dumb / naive… if you are too intellectual, they might feel they are being “played.”

          • When a seller comes to their own negative conclusions of their property out loud, use selective hearing to make them restate their point.

      • KEY:  Have the seller self-realize their motivation before discussing money.

    • 4.  Money:

      • Bridge Q:  “So what was it you were asking for the property again?”

      • Goal:  Gather financial details to craft a win-win scenario with the seller and also lower the seller’s expectations.

      • Use the “Three R’s (below) to dramatically lower the price.

    • 5.  What If Step:

      • Guide the seller through various solutions (where you win) to help him pick a way to sell the property to you.

      • This turns the solution into the seller’s idea - and you accept their offer.

      • Bridge Q: “I don’t know if I could do this or not, but what if I were to make you payments for a period of time and at some point down the road I completely bought you out of the property?  Is that something you might be interested in?

  • Three R’s to Lower Price:

    • 1.  Range Technique:

      • Investor:  “How much were you asking?”

      • Seller:  “$350,000”

      • Investor:  “Oh, okay… you were asking in the $340,000 to $350,000 range… got it.”

    • 2.  Realistic Technique:

      • Seller:  “$350,000”

      • Investor:  “What did you realistically expect to get?”

      • Seller:  “at least $340,000…”

    • 3.  Real Estate Agent Technique:

      • Create a hypothetical agent and say, “If they could sell the house in 30 days for $340,000 would you do it?”

      • This lower price by 6% if you buy it for this price w/o agent - no closing costs.

    • Use all three techniquest together.

  • Three Real Estate Investor Levels:

    • 1.  Prove Real Estate Investing Work:

      • Make profit / cash flow on a few deals.

    • 2.  Master the five core investing skills and build a real estate business.

      • Build a business with positive cash flow - driving the business yourself. (day-to-day)

      • FIVE CORE SKILLS:

        • 1.  Create a deal finding machine.

        • 2.  Deal analysis - Know you are getting good deals.

        • 3.  Structure Win-Win Deals for all parties

        • 4.  Negotiation - Get the other side to say YES

        • 5.  Contracts and Agreements - understand the language of real estate.

      • Positive cash flow of $5,000 - $50,000 per month.

    • 3.  Put Investing on Auto-Pilot:

      • Passive cash flow with minimum to no work.

      • Less than 10 hours of work per month.

      • Can do big real estate deals on commercial real estate.

  • SEVEN CRITICAL WEALTH SKILLS OF THE SUPER SUCCESSFUL

    • 1.  Learn to generate massive pay days of cash and equity.

    • 2.  Convert cash and equity into passive streams of cash flow.

    • 3.  Recruit and direct a core team of business and money professionals to aid you in wealth management.

    • 4.  Learn to feel worthy of your wealth.

    • 5.  Learn to make intuitive, accurate and prompt decisions.

    • 6.  Create a peer group of friends and associates who push you to be the best you are capable of being.

    • 7.  Learn how to intelligently share your wealth to the world.

  • THREE WAYS TO OVERCOME FEAR

    • 1.  Take action right away - Just do it!

    • 2.  Don’t wait until you know it all!

      • You will never know it all - too much info. Out there!

    • 3.  Facing fear and accepting it is a good thing.

      • Makes you better and stronger.

      • Learn to act in the presence of your fears.

      • Don’t choose known failure.

        • “In essence you would be choosing to fail comfortably than have a great chance to succeed, but experience fear while doing it.”

      • Don’t freeze at the edge of the cliff - commit to jumping and taking a chance.

OTHER NOTES:

  • If a property has multiple owners - make sure all are there when you meet them.

    • Tell them you are more comfortable this way.

  • Remember - Find motivation to sell before discussing money.

  • Keep a log of your appointments:

    • List the good and bad things that happen so you can self-correct.

  • Always remember not to be overeager.  Let the seller become the overeager party.

    • Try to be seen as reluctant.

  • A tenant buyer is a better option than a regular renter.  It’s a big time win-win.

    • Higher AAV rent

    • Option payment (3-5% of the property value)

    • Daily maint. Must be kept

    • Tenants stay for a longer period of time.

    • Property is treated with more care.

    • Do this unless the property has good holding value and low maintenance.

  • Most Value:

    • 1.  Cash 

      • At most only use $1 of your cash for every $4 of equity.

    • 2.  Non-recourse financing (seller financing)

    • 3.  Recourse financing (traditional lender)

    • 4.  Equity of the property